[photography_beginners] Editing Software for Portraits

Hi Everyone: I have signed up for a portrait class and the instructor prefers we work with Photo Shop Element 3. Erica had posted that she hadn't spent a "penny on photo manipulation software." So I would like to know if that is a "free" download that has the same or close to the same features for portraits as Elements 3. Thanks for the input, Vicki __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Database | Members Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity  18 New Members  38 New Photos  3 New Polls Visit Your Group Need traffic? Drive customers With search ads on Yahoo! Yahoo! Groups Moderator Central An online resource for moderators. Fitness Challenge on Yahoo! Groups Get in shape w/the Special K Challenge. . __,_._,___

Re: [Digital BW] trouble with dark prints on a 3800

I use the Epson drivers and my prints are pretty accurate except for density. I'll try lowering the luminance and see. thanks. --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, Stephen Petegorsky <petegorsky@...> wrote: > > Dan ­ in my humble opinion, 115 is a bit high as a luminance value at which > to calibrate a monitor, especially if you¹re counting on it to indicate what > a print will look like. I use 85 cd/m2, and find that it lets me get a much > more accurate sense of what an image will look like when printed. What are > you using to drive the printer? A RIP? The Epson driver? Are your > profiles accurate except for overall density? > > Stephen Petegorsky > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (0) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE  "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity  23 New Members Visit Your Group Yahoo! News Kevin Sites Get coverage of world crises. Yahoo! Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Featured Y! Groups and category pages. There is something for everyone. . __,_._,___

Re: [Digital BW] Innova Fiba Print roller marks

Thanks, Steve. I did try the platten gap adjustment, bumped it up to 10, and it helped a bit, but maybe not enough to resolve it. I wasn't sure (still not) whether the platten gap adjustment actually adjusts the rollers or the print head. I thought it was the print head. I will work on it, as it's a beautiful paper, I also like the Silver Rag, but the surface of the Innova for me is better. If I can it to work. If not, then I'll switch to the Crane. Problem is I bought rolls of the Innova already, lots of paper to go through. I did frame a print (Amalfi Coast) for someone that turned out fine, so the glass helps, but I still hope to eliminate it if possible. I'll try some more things and see if I can post a solution soon. --- In DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com, "stephengledhill" <stephengledhill@...> wrote: > > Hi Mike, > Lovely paper, particularly the 'Warmtone'. Shame about the streaks. I got > it too with my 4800 / K3. I didn't notice at first - depends on the > lighting angle. I didn't really experiment as I'm wedded to Silver Rag at > present which seems to have far more robust surface. If it wasn't for the > streaks I'd just prefer the Innova to the Crane. I think you'll find > adjusting the the platten gap is your only hope - but no guarantees! > Steve Gledhill > www.virtuallygrey.co.uk <blocked::http://www.virtuallygrey.co.uk/> > > > _____ > > From: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael > B. Askew > Sent: 04 September 2007 19:50 > To: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Digital BW] Innova Fiba Print roller marks > > I am using the Innova Fiba Print glossy paper, both white and warm > tone, on my Epson 7800 with K3 inkset, and am getting what appear to be > roller marks on the paper. I understand the roller passes over the > paper before the ink is applied, but there seems to be some kind of > matting of the gloss finish by the rollers. It looks like a bit of a > matte finish applied exactly the width of the rollers. They are new > and clean so that doesn't seem to be it, and it doesn't go away with > drying. the denser the image, the more they show up of course. > > I'm wondering if anyone else is having this problem and especially if > anyone has a solution? The finish and print quality of the paper is > beautiful, but the streaking is not. I have sent emails to the company > reps in the UK and US, but have received no response. > > Any help out there? > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (0) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. 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Re: [digital-photography] Re: Getting a new Lens

bianca having stated specifically your interest, i don't see that you need to go to a specialty lense. the range in which you're using the macro is sufficient, and depending on the area in which to shoot portraiture, unless you have a studio where you have absolute control over the photo session, the variety in the zoom to cover any possible situation. as a starter, the kit lense that you have will do what you need to do...that's not to say that as you progress you may want to consider not so much the zoom range, but then speicalizing in a specific QUALITY of the lenses to each interest. good luck two k Bianca Valero <biancadv1@hotmail.com> wrote: ALL THE INFORMATION IS GREAT THANK YOU TO EVERY BODY. ABOUT THE TYPE OF MACRO I WHANT TO DO, IS MORE IN THE KIDS PORTRAITS AND FLOWERS. I DON'T GO IN TRIPS OR GET REALY SMALL OBJECTS OR AT VERY LONG DISTANCE, AND I DO A LOT PRODUCT PICTURES FOR MY BUSSINES. I DID SEE A 90 F/2.8 MM LENS FROM TAMRON JUST GOING TO CHECK THE PRICE. AND I WILL START DOING MY COLLECTION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO YOU ALL --- In digital-photography@yahoogroups.com, Sanjiv <sanjivsingh1@...> wrote: > > Bianca, > > I have the same camera as yours and it came with the 18-135 kit lens. Well > it's a multi purpose lens yes because it let's you do wide angles as well as > zoom at the telephoto end. > > You actually have a lot of zoom with this lens (which allows you to do hand > held outdoors at 135mm) but this is not a lens for macro and potraits. > You'll need a macro lens for this which gives you bokeh (diffused > background). You will have to decide what kind of a macro lens you need > because I understand thet start at 60mm and go all the way to 180 mm or > more. So if you specify what kind of macro photography you're looking at > doing you'll get more help around here. > > You have the choice of going for a Nikon 105mm f2.8 VR macro which is in > the range of $ 1000 plus or go for the very good Tamron 90mm f2.8 Macro > which has some superlative reviews and costs about $ 350. There's Sigma also > but I'm not sure of prices. > > Besides my Nikon 18-135, I have a Nikon 50mm f1.4 prime and a Tamron 17-50 > f2.8 which I am very happy about. I am considering getting the Tamron 90mm > macro f2.8 very soon. > > Happy shooting! > > Sanjiv. > > > On 23/09/2007, Bianca Valero <biancadv1@...> wrote: > > > > Hi! To everybody, I have a Nikon D80, and it came with an 18- 135 Lens a > > multipurpose lens, I think. I love doing Macro and Portraits, and with > > that lens I don't have that mucho zoom. It looks like I want it all > > right. I want to buy a new lens what do you guys recommend that I > > should recommend, Will the macro be useful to get portraits and > > everyday pictures, or should I just get a new lens with better zoom. > > That does macro at the same time. And what brand do you guys recommend. > > > > Thank you Bianca > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (0) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Calendar ------- Digital Photography Discussions ------------ List address: digital-photography@yahoogroups.com Moderator: digital-photography-owner@yahoogroups.com Modify or cancel any of your group subscriptions at: http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity  47 New Members  4 New Links  1 New Files Visit Your Group Yahoo! Groups Moderator Central get help and provide feedback on Groups. Search Ads Get new customers. List your web site in Yahoo! Search. Beauty Groups on Yahoo! Groups A great place to connect and share. . __,_._,___

RE: [MyOlympus] Olympus E-500 External Flash Unit

Chris, Many thanks, I've seen the price of the FL-50 and over here in the UK it's even higher, as I said as a beginner I really don't want to be spending that kind of cash first time. I shall take a look at the Vivitar, It will probably help me learn more than having a fully automatic unit. Thanks again, Phil. From: MyOlympus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MyOlympus@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Effzeeone Sent: 04 September 2007 04:55 To: MyOlympus@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [MyOlympus] Olympus E-500 External Flash Unit > -----Original Message----- > From: MyOlympus@yahoogroups.com <mailto:MyOlympus%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:MyOlympus@yahoogroups.com <mailto:MyOlympus%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of philsycamore > Sent: Monday, September 03, 2007 1:54 PM > To: MyOlympus@yahoogroups.com <mailto:MyOlympus%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [MyOlympus] Olympus E-500 External Flash Unit > > As a beginner I'm look to move onto an external flash, can > anyone suggest the best external flash for the e-500, or > which of the FL-36 or FL-50 is best? > Thanks, > Phil. The FL-50 is the best flash Olympus makes. That being said, with the dropping prices of the E-500 systems, you can easily spend more on a FL-50 than you would a second E-500 body. I felt I already gave Olympus enough of my money with a E-500 two-lens kit and the 18-180mm lens, so I opted for a Vivitar 285HV (actually two of them) for US$50 each, and haven't regretted that decision at all. Although they are not TTL, they are fairly automatic with a rather accurate sensor on them, so guesstimation works rather well. It all depends on how much you want to spend. -- Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (0) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls Group's site: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/ Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity  41 New Members  2 New Photos  1 New Files Visit Your Group Yahoo! News Sexual Health Get important sex health news Yahoo! Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Biz Resources Y! Small Business Articles, tools, forms, and more. . __,_._,___

Re: [digital-photography] scanners & slr's

I make internegs from my slides I just get Inter negs made from all of my slides for my files some times it is easer to get a print in a hurry from a interneg than a slide. Barry A KRIS KAKITA <twokphoto2000@yahoo.com> wrote: why would you make internegs, that's for making a neg from a print that you don't have the original negs. just print E6 from the slides. two k millcutte4 millcutter4 <millcutter4@yahoo.com> wrote: I don't copy s;ides I get internegs made. Baarry A john seidel <yetti_trapper@yahoo.com> wrote: A little more detail, do you scan the print? Is the best way to get the highest quality print from a slide is to make a E6 print, flat scan that to kodak and there they make it into a canvas print? What size print do you scan/ Or do you mail them a same size print? They only advertise a minimum 16x 20 print for $89.00. millcutte4 millcutter4 <millcutter4@yahoo.com> wrote: I have 25,000 slides and I sure am not going to scan all of them when I want a print form one of the slides I take it in and get a few prints I wend them to Kodak for canvas prints which sell very good I get at least $100.00 more for a canvas print than a paper and they only charge around $30.00 for a 11x14 and then I well it for $350.00 not to bad of a profit. Barrry A KRIS KAKITA <twokphoto2000@yahoo.com> wrote: like so many photographers that switched over from film, we all have boxes and boxes of prints, negs and slides. one of the first thoughts of making the switch is to digitize our old works to our computer...after a trial of scanning, i found that going backwards to film to bring them forward into the digital world didn't have the same satisfaction. so unless you plan on having a 'wet' lab to print your old film and slides, it is eaiser to send them out to a pro printer to have them done....basically starting from where you're at...so if you're going into digital photography, then there is enough to learn the new technologies and than trying to 'mix' the old and the new... now your game plan....these prints for gallery showing are they going to be from the film or digital? personally, i don't mix them...keeping film works as one collection and digital in another collection. i am not a master printer, in color printing, so i leave that to the more experienced and better equipped pro labs, mostly for the cost factors. in the matter of gallery presentations, they have to be perfect or near as possible, so doing works from film, i would leave that to the professionals to produce from my photography. however, in digital there isn't a huge cost factor in producing images digitally. and as each photographer sees what they want and by printing a sample, will be what the end product will be shown, the same in the small as well as the bigger final image. i've tried to digitize some of my film images, i found that scanning the print (a third generation image) came out less that the original print, scanning the neg was also not as desirable, but then again that was 10 years ago and technology has changed and has improved since i ventured into re scanning film. so my experience is out dated. so i just started from where i was at and move forward into digitial and learning the techniques and technology in the process. the basics i learned in film carried over into the digital. from my own experiences, i can only suggest that you re look at the task ahead. good luck two k so_rdy <so_rdy@yahoo.com> wrote: I have a 25 yr collection of slides, negatives and prints that have been wallowing as I re-habbed a house and raised kids. Now I'm ready to get back into photography and have been lusting after a scanner for 2-3 yrs. Will a 4800 x 9600 scanner faithfully reproduce my 35mm K64 slides and asa 100 negatives? Game plan is to start printing up to 8 x 10 at home and using a lab for up to 16 x 20 for display at local shows, festivals, etc and placement in local galleries (of which we have many). Do I need to go to 10+ megapixel SLR to get the image quality I'm used to from my Canon F-1 or is the next step down suitable? I've never stopped seeing the world thru a lense, (my right eye still sees in Kodachrome, my left in Ektachrome) but have only spent a few hours seriously shooting in years. I paid about 1/3 of my college expenses with my cameras, landscapes, portraits, contruction progress work, etc and really want to get the right equipment to get back on track toward my dream of retiring into a life of photography. 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Re: [digital-photography] breaking the 3rds rule

Why should photography have ''rules''? I mean to me personally, it's a form of art, and your art, your rules..... I can understand using it as a useful tool if your doing weddings and such, I just dont see much need for rules for general photography work --- KRIS KAKITA <twokphoto2000@yahoo.com> wrote: > some rules are menat to be broken...it all depends > on the photographers eye. how well does it work > with the picture. > > can you break rules, absolutely, whenever > possible, but with descretion. > > of course there will always be 'rules', in > general, they work, BUT sometimes you have to > venture outside the 'box' to be creative. to > compliment the rule of thirds is balance and > contrast. a lot of variable in combination goes > into creating an image. > > clearly, dave's images was a creation, rather than > just taking a picture and that's the difference, > seeing the image as you compose it before you push > the shutter button. > > the rule of thirds is not just two dimensional, > but three, the foreground, the subject and the > background. it's all in prespective to where the > photographer wants to bring the viewer to their > subject, this is where balance and contrast enhances > the subject. > > good luck > > two k > > > Don Cone <vdcone@mac.com> wrote: > Good job Dave. The "Thirds Rule" is one > that need breaking more often! > > Don > > On Sep 23, 2007, at 9:15 AM, Dave wrote: > > > Hi everyone > > > > Just uploaded, to my website, a picture of > Cleavedon pier (Somerset > > Uk) that breaks all the 3rd's rule (please see > http://djmp.co.uk/slr > > %201/thirds.htm ) > > Comments, good or bad, very welcome. > > > > DAVE > > Bristol UK > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and > hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________________ Catch up on fall's hot new shows on Yahoo! TV. Watch previews, get listings, and more! http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/3658 __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (0) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Calendar ------- Digital Photography Discussions ------------ List address: digital-photography@yahoogroups.com Moderator: digital-photography-owner@yahoogroups.com Modify or cancel any of your group subscriptions at: http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity  49 New Members  4 New Links  1 New Files Visit Your Group SPONSORED LINKS Digital photography Digital photography course Digital photography equipment Digital photography print Digital wedding photography Endurance Zone on Yahoo! Groups Communities about higher endurance. Yahoo! Groups Real Food Group Share recipes and favorite meals. HDTV Support The official Samsung Y! Group for HDTVs and devices. . __,_._,___

[photography_beginners] Photo Retouching and Graphics

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[Digital BW] trouble with dark prints on a 3800

Hi All, My b/w and color prints are all about 3/4 stop to dark when printed. Since I'm new to printing, is this a situation I'd make a custom curve to apply before printing? Or could I decrease my monitor's brightness. It is calabrated and I could simply set a new luminance target that's lower than my current 115. What do you think? Dan __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint If you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page. Please follow these basic guidelines: - As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short. - Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice. - Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership. - By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/ BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE  "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity  23 New Members Visit Your Group Yahoo! News Fashion News What's the word on fashion and style? Yahoo! Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Sitebuilder Build a web site quickly & easily with Sitebuilder. . __,_._,___

Re: [digital-photography] Getting right with Image Usage

Not quite right: You can sell recognizable images just so long as they are not made to look like they are advertising something. You could not place someone in a Cola Ad for example, but you can sell shots of anyone you want at an Art Show. This has been litigated several times. BK On 9/18/07, Thom Durfee <digitalpro@thomdurfee.com> wrote: > > The article mentioned seems to be only the opinion of the writer. I > wonder if the author has talked to a actual attorney that deals with > these matters. He makes a good point particularly about model releases > but he is misguided on one point. > > You may sell any photograph of any recognizable person if and only if, > the photo is used in an editorial sense. Other than that you need a > model release. > > Example: > > If you sell a portrait of your granddaughter, you need a model release, > especially if she is not of legal age. In that case you need a model > release signed by her parents. > > If you take photographs of her and her teammates playing soccer down at > the local field and then sell the photo to the local newspaper you do > not need a model release. > > Every photographer who sells or may sell images needs to make a choice > and stick with it. That is, require a model release no matter what or > only when you know that you absolutely need one. > > It is never easy to ask someone on a whim if you can sell a image of > them. This is a skill that takes a great deal of diplomacy and just the > right tactics. Practice makes perfect. No one is perfect. > > As a final note...this is simply my opinion based on what I have learned > over the years. > > Take it for what it is worth. > > -- > Thom Durfee > digitalpro@thomdurfee.com > > www.thomdurfee.com > > "Is it real...or is it Photoshop?" > > [c] 2007 - Thom Durfee > > > > > > ------- Digital Photography Discussions ------------ > List address: digital-photography@yahoogroups.com > Moderator: digital-photography-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Modify or cancel any of your group subscriptions at: > http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > -- J Bryan Kramer North Florida, USA photos at: http://pbase.com/photoburner [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (0) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Calendar ------- Digital Photography Discussions ------------ List address: digital-photography@yahoogroups.com Moderator: digital-photography-owner@yahoogroups.com Modify or cancel any of your group subscriptions at: http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity  39 New Members Visit Your Group Best of Y! Groups Check out the best of what Yahoo! Groups has to offer. Yahoo! Groups Beauty & Fashion Connect & share tips and advice. Yoga Groups Exchange insights with members of the yoga community. . __,_._,___