RE: [Digital BW] Re: R1800 "pure carbon" approach?

Hi Chris,>I'm up to speed now on the R1800 approach thanks to Paul and others.>However, I found out I can get an r2400 for $425 after rebate.That's an excellent price if it's new. The refurbished R1800s are about$350 from Epson and $330 on E-Bay (Epson-refurb).As you say, you're essentially up to speed on the differences. They areboth very good printers. It's probably a subjective decision at this point.By the way, I'm experimenting with the R260. Nothing is ready to go yet,but in general, all the approaches I've used with it fail to meet thequality of the R1800 with respect to 100% Eboni printing. I think one does,indeed, get a better printer when the higher prices are paid. On the otherhand, a straight Eboni BO with a driver that can do it looks like it'll be agood entry level bargain for those who do want the most archival B&W at thelowest price. The 260 I have does print a single jet smoother than the1800, but the reduced microbanding may simply be a result of increasedroughness, which is not a good trade for those who want the smoothestmulti-channel carbon printing.Paulwww.PaulRoark.comPlease visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated.http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrintIf you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page.Please follow these basic guidelines:- As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short.- Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice.- Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership.- By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See �Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines� in the Files section:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE �OWNER� AND �MODERATORS� OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/<*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional<*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/join (Yahoo! ID required)<*> To change settings via email: mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-digest@yahoogroups.com mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [photography_beginners] Re: Into & photo sample

I am from Texas too! I live in east Texas. I looked at photos. I think my favorite is the first on. You have beautiful children. Shootrbug...To view images visit:http://expressivephotos.PhotoReflect.com ----- Original Message ----- From: texscrapper To: photography_beginners@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:29 AM Subject: [photography_beginners] Re: Into & photo sample Thanks for the welcome - I am from TX - if you would like to check out some of my photos, check out http://www.flickr.com/photos/sumspics/Thanks!Summer--- In photography_beginners@yahoogroups.com, "Teresa Kirkpatrick" <shootrbug@...> wrote:>> Welcome the the group. Can't wait to see some of your photographs. Where are you from?> Shootrbug...> To view images visit:> http://expressivephotos.PhotoReflect.com> __._,_.___ Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___

Re: [MyOlympus] Lunar eclipse photos

Very nice. Thanks for sharing. We were unsighted (I think because the moon was too low and buildings were too high). ----- Original Message ----From: Pam Burke <pambur@gmail.com>To: MyOlympus@yahoogroups.comSent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 8:45:36 AMSubject: [MyOlympus] Lunar eclipse photosIf anyone is interested, I have put a montage of my shots of the lunareclipse up in the yahoo photo spacehttp://tech. ph.groups. yahoo.com/ group/MyOlympus/ photos/view/ 894d?b=1under Pam Burkes album if the link doesn't work.I am really very pleased.... considering I had never attempted anything likethis before. My little old 5060 did a great job I think, and Dicks advisere settings etc was invaluable.. ..Thanks DickPamwww.akcos.org[Non-text portions of this message have been removed][Non-text portions of this message have been removed]Group's site: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/Yahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/<*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional<*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/join (Yahoo! ID required)<*> To change settings via email: mailto:MyOlympus-digest@yahoogroups.com mailto:MyOlympus-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: MyOlympus-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[Digital BW] Re: R1800 "pure carbon" approach?

> That's an excellent price if it's new. The refurbished R1800s are about> $350 from Epson and $330 on E-Bay (Epson-refurb).Nah, it's not new. Refurbished from Epson. After doing a bit moreresearch here, I've learned that you've had bad experiences buyingrefurbed Epson printers. That surprises me because I've always beenunder the impression that refurbed products get MORE testing than newproducts.Considering your experience, would you still buy a refurb?> The 260 I have does print a single jet smoother than the> 1800, but the reduced microbanding may simply be a result of increased> roughness, which is not a good trade for those who want the smoothest> multi-channel carbon printing.> Since I already have the 220 with MIS inks, I think I definitely wantto give either the R800, R1800 or R2400 a try. In fact, I'm prettyhappy with the results from my 220 and the main reason driving thisnew purchase is the desire for better color prints. Although I don't currently make many prints bigger than 8x10, I thinkit may be worth the extra $100 to reserve that option. Having saidthat, Epson lists refurbed R800s for $140 on their website (not instock currently). To me that sounds like the ultimate low-costarchival option for someone who wants to print B&W and color on 8.5 x11 matte papers.Thanks,ChrisPlease visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated.http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrintIf you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page.Please follow these basic guidelines:- As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short.- Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice.- Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership.- By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/<*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional<*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/join (Yahoo! ID required)<*> To change settings via email: mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-digest@yahoogroups.com mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[photo-3d] short sightedness questions (Damir)

> On 8/27/07, Damir Vrancic <crunchy_3d@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:>>>> I really expected that there would be more answers to my >> observation>> regarding viewing cross pairs and my short-sightness.>>>> Since it bothers me for years, I would really like to know the>> reason.>>>> There is a cross-pair of pictures on the screen (or paper). I can>> clearly (sharply) see both pictures with either eye>> (monoscopically). However, stereo picture (cross-eyed viewing) is>> fuzzy and I need viewing glasses (for far distance) to see them>> clearly. I know that this is more than strange.Damir,This doesn't seem strange at all to me. If you are short sighted, then full relaxation of your eye's lens produces sharpness somewhere closer than infinity (typically, much closer). Remember also that convergence of the eyes allows the brain to "pre-focus" to the eyes, that's why there is this link between convergence and accomodation (accomodation = focus). Only after pre-focussing, does the mind's eye do the fine focussing, which is based on image processing (for example, analysing edges and making them as sharp as possible).So for you to parallel view a pair, at say arms-length distance, the eyes' convergence tells the brain to focus "infinity" and since you are myopic, that means your "pre-focus" may well be perfect for viewing the pair that is relatively close.When you cross-eye view a pair, the eyes' convergence is telling the brain "close-up view", so your brain tells those eye muscles to squeeze that lens down - prefocussing to a close-up, which means your actual (myopic) sharp focus is now very, very close to your face.Perfectly logical, by my reckoning.>>>> It does not happen to parallel pairs (they remain sharp) or to cross->> pairs viewed VERY VERY CLOSE to the screen.__________________________________________________________©2007 Boris Starosta Stereoscopic Art & 3D Photographyabsolute web contact via <http://public.xdi.org/=starosta>Co-ordinates: 38 deg 3 min 23 sec N 78 deg 29 min 45 sec W Yahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/photo-3d/<*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional<*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/photo-3d/join (Yahoo! ID required)<*> To change settings via email: mailto:photo-3d-digest@yahoogroups.com mailto:photo-3d-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: photo-3d-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

Re: [photography_beginners] Re: Hello everyone! I will be happy to help and l...

In a message dated 8/30/2007 12:11:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time, stan_pustylnik@yahoo.com writes: Thank you Lauri.I LOVE 7D. Just hope it will last long.... :)I didn't know about group you are talking about, will check it out!Stan     I love mine too Stan. Only had it a couple of years and already having some issues. You can go back in the archives on that Minolta group I mentioned and read all about the issues of the 7D. I know you'll find the group very helpful and informative. Lots of great and knowledgeable people there.   Lauri Minolta Maxxum 7D-digitalOklahoma USAcheck out my stuff at http://LEarly2.photosite.comGet a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. __._,_.___ Your email settings: Individual Email|Traditional Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch to Fully Featured Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe __,_._,___

Re: [photo-3d] scanning 35mm DSLR to medium Format ?

Assuming that you have a scanner, why not make the scan and see first-hand if the results meet you requirements.Marshall----- Original Message ----- From: "clyde" <clydd2004@yahoo.com>To: <photo-3d@yahoogroups.com>Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 4:07 AMSubject: [photo-3d] scanning 35mm DSLR to medium Format ?> Dear All,> As part of my recent hobby, I got a Canon 400D on a good price deal> and have been shooting (cha-cha and loreo pairs)>> Now knowing that many will laugh at this thought, Im still going to> ask anyway..> Will there be a dramatic loss in quality if I tried scanning this> 10mega pixel cameras files to Medium Format slides?>> I mean I know for sure that its not going to be "as good" as original> MF, but considering im not a professional photographer, DSLR offers> me post production tools to better my images.>> I was thinking of using upsampling tools like Size fixer.> (www.fixerlabs.com)>> Secondly then, are there such services in the US/Europe that will> allow me to upload my files and send me the slides back by courier> service (im in Dubai UAE)>> Hoping for an encouraging answer :_)> My Regards,> Clyde>>>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links>>>>> __________ NOD32 2485 (20070826) Information __________>> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.> http://www.eset.com>> Yahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/photo-3d/<*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional<*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/photo-3d/join (Yahoo! ID required)<*> To change settings via email: mailto:photo-3d-digest@yahoogroups.com mailto:photo-3d-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: photo-3d-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[Digital BW] Re: R1800 "pure carbon" approach?

For the benefit of anyone else who may be facing the same decision,here's how the current cost difference breaks down between the R1800 &R2400:Refurbished R2400 = $500minus rebate - $ 75-------------------------Total R2400 = $425Refurbished R1800 = $350minus rebate - $ 75plus MIS MK ink + $ 30plus QTR + $ 50------------------------Total R1800 = $355Cost of new ink cartridges for both printers seem to be equivalent(though I'm not sure yet about ink usage). For me this means I'll bechoosing almost entirely based upon subjective considerations. The R1800 (with the 100% carbon approach) offers the highest standardin archival B&W on matte papers, as well as great color prints onmatte papers (with Paul's approach) and glossy papers (using Epsoninks). The potential downsides are those that Clayton mentioned:clogging, refilling and rechipping carts and an extra layer ofcomplexity (QTR).The R2400 offers archival quality probably sufficient for mostpeople's needs (I realize that is highly subjective), a streamlinedand intuitive B&W workflow, excellent color and B&W results with bothglossy and matte papers (though you have to swap) with no additionalsoftware, custom curves, tweaking, etc. However, most people say thatcolor glossy results are better on the R1800.Their dimensions and weight are almost exactly the same, and their arecustom paper profiles widely available for both.Tough choice!Please visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated.http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrintIf you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page.Please follow these basic guidelines:- As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short.- Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice.- Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership.- By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/<*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional<*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/join (Yahoo! ID required)<*> To change settings via email: mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-digest@yahoogroups.com mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

[Digital BW] OT- my C86 is misbehaving?

Hi Folks,I've had a C86 for a few years now and until yesterday it worked fine. But suddenly it is now printing horizontal black lines (about 0.35"apart) on the page. I've rest the printer and my PC but the problemis still there. It doesn't matter what I print, I still get thelines. If I print with "Plain paper" the lines are 0.35" apart. If Iprint with "DuraBright Ink Glossy Photo Paper" the lines are muchcloser together (about 0.04")Any ideas? Or is my printer a goner and it's time to buy another?Thanks,Richard CookePlease visit the Group Homepage to check the Files, and other resources as they are often being updated.http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrintIf you wish to receive no emails or just a daily digest, or you wish to unsubscribe, please edit your Membership preferences by visiting this same page.Please follow these basic guidelines:- As threads develop, trim off excess portions of earlier messages to keep them short.- Good manners are required at all time. No personal attacks or flames. Hostile, aggressive or argumentative users may be removed from the membership without notice.- Keep your posts and threads related to the group topic of digital B&W printing. Users who persistently make off-topic posts may be removed from the membership.- By posting on this forum you agree to abide by the group rules and guidelines, and to abide by the actions and decisions of the group Owner and Moderators. See "Group Topic, Rules and Guidelines" in the Files section:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/files/BY PARTICIPATING IN AND/OR POSTING MESSAGES TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO! GROUP YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP SHALL NOT BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, CONSEQUENTIAL OR EXEMPLARY DAMAGES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, DAMAGES FOR LOSS OF PROFITS, GOODWILL, USE, DATA OR OTHER INTANGIBLE LOSSES (EVEN IF THE "OWNER" AND "MODERATORS" OF DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP HAVE BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES), RESULTING FROM: (i) THE USE OR THE INABILITY TO USE THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; (ii) UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO OR ALTERATION OF YOUR TRANSMISSIONS OR DATA; (iii) STATEMENTS OR CONDUCT OF ANY THIRD PARTY ON THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP; OR (iv) ANY OTHER MATTER RELATING TO THE DIGITAL BW, THE PRINT YAHOO GROUP. Yahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/<*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional<*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/join (Yahoo! ID required)<*> To change settings via email: mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-digest@yahoogroups.com mailto:DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/